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Kiryu Study by RenDragonClaw Kiryu Study by RenDragonClaw
So I finally sat down to do Kiryu and god is he a bitch to draw. As you may or may not know, I personally suck at doing Mecha. They are just so complicated bastards at times it makes my head spin. Yeah it looks easy with all those straight lines and simple shapes but its finding that middle ground between immobile and autonimous that just kills me. Anyway Kiryu is one of the those kaiju that came out of the rather desperate Millenium era. He had a great concept but his execution as per usual rather sucked. Out of all the Mechagodzilla's, Kiryu is the one that either makes you fly into a concentrated spat of nerd rage or turns you into an instant fan. See, Kiryu did a lot of things that could be counted as bad or good for the series depending on how you look at them.

For starters, Kiryu is not completely mechanical like his forebearers but is technically a cyborg. Basically higher ups in Tokyo got desperate enough to raise the original Godzilla's skeleton off the sea floor and construct a robotic shell around it with the usual weapons and reactor cores and armor plating that all mechagodzilla's have had. The key difference was that they built a 'DNA computer' and installed the thing into him to give him the reflexs of a living creature. Down side? It gave him all of Godzilla's latent instincts which when fully activated by the living Godzilla's roar caused him to go berserk and go apeshit on Tokyo. The guys at Toho pretty much combined the 'ghost godzilla' concept they've had on the back burner for ages with a next gen Mechagodzilla. The result was Kiryu.

Kiryu is quite different from the other Mechagodzillas. He's fast, fires missiles from his back rather than the front, shoots 'lightning' rather than lasers, does not have extremely durable defenses like the others and has a usable tail that comes into play with his new martial arts oriented combat style. While this new 'wire-fu' style made the fight more interesting it also had fans screaming about how 'anime' like the whole thing seemed. I mean, Kiryu is seen delivering cross punchs, judo throws and all manner of ass kicking to a Godzilla that frankly has no idea how to take a piss let alone defend itself. Not only that, but Kiryu continued this epic ass kicking into yet another movie. Yeah he lost an eye and a hand at the end but lets face it, Godzilla was getting beaten like a bastard step child and it took him all of half a minute to realize when he was in danger of getting turned into a giant ice cube. I'm sorry but even Mothra couldn't save the movie at that point. All of this disrespect to the monster king gave raise to this span of time being refered to a 'The Kiryu Saga' since it wasn't really about Godzilla anymore. It was about Mechagodzilla 3 kicking his ass for two movies in a row.

If the douche baggery of 'The Kiryu Saga' wasn't enough the guy had issues with his look alone. Kiryu was supposed to be built using the original Godzilla's skeleton. Yet his snout is pointed and looks more like a cousin of the Dragonzord than Godzilla. The rest of him was fine and actually rather unique for a Mechagodzilla. Some nuts and bolts from the Showa, the powerful chest and heavy weapons from the Heisei...were did it go wrong? Apparently its in the name as clear as day. The word 'Kiryu' is a combination of the words 'Ki' (metal) and 'ryu' (dragon). Thus his name means 'metal-dragon'. Jeez Toho, just because hes a mechanical saurian kaiju with a draconic name all stitched up doesn't mean you have to actually make him look like a dragon at the expense of your own material. They were burnt out by this point you could tell.

Kiryu had alot of potential but that potential wasn't as thought out as it should have been and the result was a draconian Mechagodzilla wankfest that burned through Toho's wallet and their fan's paitence. And then a beacon of hope appears on the horizon and Kiryu gets picked for a fan art inspired redesign via Matt Frank and his Godzilla Neo series. Thus Kiryu Neo was born. The Neo really did Kiryu a favor, it fixed his anatomy to be that of a true Godzilla and made him look like what he was supposed to be in the first place. Matt thought those red lines down his face were something interesting so he gave Kiryu red tubes running through him to inhance that quasi organic look Kiryu would have to have under all that armor. His eyes were made smaller and more expressive and his arms look rather beefy and capable of all those moves he pulled. His tail is more dangerous looking with veined blades coming out the ends. Since he is based on the Godzilla Neo's skeleton he has those saurian legs. Everything looks a okay from this angle however...there was still something missing.

After raging in frustration with actually drawing the bastard in both forms I got to thinking "Why the fuck is his overly complicated armor designed like this anyway?!" He's a robot over a skeleton right? He's capable of organic movement thus he has synthetic muscle in order to move. He has a tendency to go berserk even though his original body died thanks to his DNA based computer that regulates everything. He's like Frankenstien's Monster bound in a suit of armor. It's like Ghost Godzilla meets Unit 01. Kiryu in all honesty is a caged beast, angry at being brought back into the painful world of the living and forced to protect the very creatures he once sought to destroy. Certain 'triggers' make him go berserk and when berserk he reveals his true self, a Godzilla, THE Godzilla. So how do you bring the menace of Mechagodzilla, the savage fighting spirit of Gojira, the bound fury of Unit 01, and the etherial spirit of the living dead into one form? You create a hybrid thats how.

The hybrid is very similar to the Neo being that you can't REALLY improve on it that much. I gave the hybrid a skull like visage that really feels like there is a freakin Godzilla noggin under all that metal and allow some room for expression. Since Godzilla expresses himself through his eyes and jaws, the mobility of the eye is very important. I also carried over an idea I had with Gigan and gave him a synthetic eye with computer grid like veins reaching through it. If G-Force can make synthetic muscle why not an eye? The horn and 'ear wings' are more prominent than the Neo's since they are part of Kiryu's look and add to that external shell impression. The body is alot like the Neo but if I had the space I would have shown more of my major idea with him. I'd like to think of Kiryu's armored plating not only as a first line of defense but also as restraints. Just like how Unit 01 is organic under all that metal, Kiryu is slowly but surely taking control of his body. G-cells regenerate you know. Adding a chemical code that is exactly like Godzilla's means that not only is it going to think and fight like Godzilla, it is going to replicate and regenerate like Godzilla. This is where the undead spirit of Gojira comes in. Through the spirits influence, the synthetic fluids and such well begin acting like real Godzilla cells until eventually Kiryu becomes a true biomechanical construct. I'll probably do a full body sketch to show what I'm talking about.

The SD version will be based on the hybrid version as usual and I'm not going to tell you guys what the humor might be because its so out of left field you may not even make the connection. Rest assured though it does fit and its funny as hell, at least I found it funny. It's not being emo either. Christ, I don't know where you people come up with this shit, Kiryu might have been over the top but he was not a slashing the wrists kinda monster. Would you consider Frankenstien's Monster emo? See, same principle. He's not depressed, he's fucking pissed because some flea sized pig monkeys dragged him out his eternal resting place, stuck him in a super powered robo suit, put the biggest refrigerator EVER smack dab in the middle of his chest, and forced him to protect a city that he obliterated decades ago from his living next of kin. On top of that he has a whiny little bitch drunk on haterade pulling his nervous system around like a drunk five year old playing Street Fighter somewhere inside of him. That, ladies and gentlemen, would suck. Anyway, feedback is good. Any thing constructive to add would be great.

-RenDragonClaw
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LEXA-Lexamus-Prime Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ren-orwig?
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Cyprus-1 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
Very impressive work!
The specificity and accuracy of you’re
"Kiryu information" is very impressive.
Not to mention how great the sketch is great work!
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol thanks. The end result was NOT what I really wanted consider this is a prelimenary for the SD pic that came after it. It ended up being the Neo version doing something silly. If I were to redo a hybrid pic based on this study I'd make sure it was biomechanical and less clunky.
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Cyprus-1 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
That biomechanical version sounds interesting,will you do it?
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Someday, I'm trying to work off my to-do-list and go on a hiatus from the site in order to build my portfolio. Probably will be working mostly on original stuff over fanart.
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Cyprus-1 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
I see.
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Godzilla2014 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
Kiryu was an interesting concept ruined by stupidity. One that had already been done better as CyberGodzilla in Godzilla: The Series.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now see, I just KNEW there was a reason I hated drawing this guy. I always figured he was a bitch to draw because he was a mecha but really, he just sucks at being a cyborg lol.

The Kiryu Saga was something of an epic disaster drowned in hype that fell short. Godzilla lost half his brain somewhere and Kiryu was so wangstastic it hurt. It was a killer concept that was handled very very badly.

Eventually I'll be getting back to this and I'm going to redo this sketch study and make a hybrid that is actually legit and sensical. Until then...Kiryu can rot back here.

-RenDragonClaw
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Godzilla2014 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2010
Since you are going to redo this sketch, have you seen these?
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen the first one but color swapped and I haven't seen the last one there at all. Both are very neat for a new sketch study. Shame I can't save as the pics though.

-RenDragonClaw
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kaijuart Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
kiryus a pain in the ass to draw i use a picture as a refernce btw nice kiryu
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I used pictures too, and it was still a pain in the ass. Maybe its because I was desperately trying to make him not so dragonish...kinda unavoidable what with his name and all meaning 'metal dragon' lol. I'll do a real Hybrid one of these days.

-RenDragonClaw
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kaijuart Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i'm going to get a 12 inch kiryu for my b,day next month. and use it a refernce
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sounds good ;).

-RenDragonClaw
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kaijuart Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah i can't wait
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FlareFlamingGuardian Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2008  Student Digital Artist
Your mecha doesn't suck it rules nice Kiryu man
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks man =). Good to hear its not a complete embarassment. Hopefully I'll keep improving as I draw them more.

-RenDragonClaw
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Dark-Hyena Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2008
You're comment is almost as entertaining as the picture itself.

Don't tell Matt, but I think your hybrid looks cooler. The muzzle does not look as duck-like as the Millenium one, but at the same time, it is not as "chubby" as the neo one.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know, I've been flipping back in forth on whether I should just go with what I want Kiryu's head to look like or go along with what the rest of you guys deem as exceptable. I understand Gregole's 'dragon' arguement but sometimes style comes before substance in some cases.

I think the Neo's body is perfect from what we can see at that angle. It's just that rather simplistic head that gives me fits. I also wanted to add a more 'risen from the grave' vibe with Kiryu since well, he is. Glade to hear the idea wasn't a complete flop. I'll get crack'n on him pretty soon.

-RenDragonClaw
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RedWingsDragon Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
Awsome work here looks very nice
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks =).

-RenDragonClaw
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JacobMatthewSpencer Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
I agree with Gregole, the Neo design was perfect.

Weapon wise: I say a proper mouth ray (something like MG II's but more on par with Godzilla's), a stronger chest beam (somewhere between the Plasma Grenade & Showa's), the energy blade, and/or the drill hands. If Kiryu has to have missiles, I say something like the full Metal missiles from G2k or the D3 drilling missles from GMK. Something that can penetrate Godzilla's skin.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmmm. According to Mr. Gregole his sheer brute strength and battle skill along with a up to par oral beam would be all the weapons he'd ever need. Of course, thats because he likes his battles incredibly graffic and gruesume ;). The more opportunity for blood and visible organs the better I suppose.

Despite being the antithesis of the other Mechagodzilla's, Kiryu still is one and needs to really throw Godzilla some curve balls every once and awhile. I think the energy blade was a unique weapon of Kiryu's that would have enhanced the human element a bit. Not too attached to the drill hands, we got enough drill hands in the series. Missile ports take up space but if they were inluded they should be some kind of deep penetration biological weapons. Like the candium rounds or liquid nitrogen. That way he would still have a 'freezing' attack but it wouldn't take away from his oral beam. The chest beam was major thing of his so I'd link it to his oral beam as it's power source or something but unleashed all at once if I were to include that. Thanks for the input.

-RenDragonClaw
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JacobMatthewSpencer Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
Welcome
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GREGOLE Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2008
I'll be honest, I'm not a Kiryu fan. He started out as a wanked up "I'm so awesome!" robot that completely upstaged Godzilla in his own movie, but then fell prey to the "I'm so angsty, but I'm badass anyway!" tripe. He's.... a gary stu in kaiju form.

Then of course, along came a certain artist/writer who's name I refuse to utter, who quite firmly sealed his status as such...

It was a damn good concept. Make a combat machine designed to operate in an organic fashion, based on actual DNA and animal structures.
Unfortunately, he didn't take ANY advantage of his supposed "organic technology".

I think the Neo design is perfect. Powerful, flexible, bestial... Godzilla-like. It looks and acts like a living animal, and doesn't weigh itself down with useless weapons which Godzilla fails to even react to.

To be entirely honest, I kinda prefer it over the hybrid version. It.... just works for me. No offense, but the hybrid version is a little too close to the original for my taste - which I agree with you entirely on, it looks WAY too draconic, and.... honestly, doesn't seem very menacing at all.

The Neo version has that oomph and that monstrous menace that any Mechagodzilla should have, AND it manages to preserve its techno-organic theme.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*sigh*, It's the horn isn't it? I gotta confess that the Neo's head drove me up a friggen wall trying to figure out how to draw it. I still didn't get it right. What was worse is that neck is so long and muscular that trying to get all those plates to fit right was an absolute bitch. I eventually gave up and kinda drew it in the easiest way it was for me when it came to hybrid. I guess the horn combined with the slightly slanted snout make him look slightly draconic, which is bad....

I'm gonna take to heart what you said about the weapons. Missiles have never worked and the sword? Yeah that was waste. I kinda though the energy varient from the game could be useful since Destroyah's beam katana worked so well. Since we're talking about it, just what kind of weapons should Kiryu have anyway?

-RenDragonClaw
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GREGOLE Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
Well, the maser *kinda* worked. And an oral ray is essential to a quasi-organic Godzilla-android-thingie.
The attachment of Garuda was an interesting way to blend Kiryu and SMG. Maybe something similar?

Overall, I think Kiryu should be the antithesis to previous Mechagodzillas. It's an artificial organism that moves like a real animal. So have it take advantage of that. Use its raw strength and skill to battle, not fancy weapons. THEN it would truly be a frankensteinian, artificial resurrection of the original Godzilla.

At least that's my opinion on the matter. Like I said, I never liked Kiryu, so I'm not worried about making it that true to the original.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Checking out the Neo version again and most of its weapons of the fancy nature were with the Garuda system. Without it, Kiryu relies on his oral masers and hand to hand combat as he should.

There is one little chink in the whole no artillery option and thats the stupid pilot. Kiryu is controlled by humans most of the time and humanities answer to everything is blast it with excess firepower. Silly I know but its a hurtle thats still there....hmmm. You know, what if Kiryu went berserk more often? In those cases he'd neglect the use of any nifty tricks he might have in favor of what he instinctually knows best and when he's not he'd follow his programming. Personally the weapons I would give him on his person would be a proper oral beam (maybe electric in nature since that seems to effect Godzilla the most), the energy blade since its close range and stabbity, and six drill missile ports armed with either candium or liquid nitrogen warheads. Anything else would be on the Garuda.

I'd have him fight more and more like Godzilla as the battle went on and have him finally go berserk and totally bestial when the last shoe dropped so to speak.It would also be hilarious to see that little bitch stuck in there while he's going bat shit crazy don't you think?

-RenDragonClaw
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GREGOLE Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
I agree that he does need some way to throw his opponents a curveball, so some specialized weaponry would be a good idea.

Multiple missile types fired from a weapons attachment - a la Garuda - would be fitting. An armor-piercing spiral grenade or full metal type, a cadmium type and a freezing type would even out his arsenal and offer some tactical advantages.

The blade wasn't a bad idea. The overall damage sucked, but the electrical current was a handy stunner. And I like the taster-tail idea. Of course, depending on which version, Godzilla's either vulnerable to electricity, can harness its power, or can send it right back to its source, so the effectiveness of such a weapon is debatable.

One possible idea is a sort of variation of the drill hand, but opposite. Have the claws spread out while the wrist spins, sortof like a garbage disposal. It would enlarge the damage radius and be more difficult to regenerate.

As for the idea of crappy human piloting.... there has never been a competent mecha pilot in a Godzilla movie. Period.
But that doesn't mean one shouldn't assume that logically speaking, if such a robot were created, the pilot would be properly trained in the weapon's use and be aware of its strengths and weaknesses. Logically, the pilot would know that melee is their best bet. Though I could still see them freezing up and hiding behind the weapons once placed in battle.
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmmm, I like the sound of those ideas. Monsturra had the idea of intergrating the oral beam from SMG into him since it was on par with Godzilla's beam. I can't really think of another kind of energy weapon aside from the original masers or a semi organic cannon that could been added in there.

I like the blade too and if it were made of stronger stuff and not break like a twig than it could be a formidable weapon. I kinda wonder if an energy blade would be plausible. I think that would be the most effective personally as its not gonna break and it could burn through Godzilla's skin reasonably well. It may be a tad over the top though.

I like your grinder hand idea. That makes more sense than turning it into an outright drill.

In a world were the human element of the monster movie was just as inspiring as the monster element I would whole heartedly agree. I got the impression from the Neo's bio that GSamurai actually put some thought into that pilot's story and role to play. If it were like that than yep, combat and weapons training with said Mech would lead to a more well rounded use of the Mech.

I agree having the missile batteries and lasers and shit on the Garuda. As the Neo put it: "slow but bristling with firepower". Than he can just take it off once he's fired his pay load.

-RenDragonClaw
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GREGOLE Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008
You know, blades are rather trite and overdone. And such a frail, thin weapon doesn't seem befitting for a monster king.

What about an *axe*?
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RenDragonClaw Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol, Kiryu the barbarian. I suppose they could have it hidden in a building or something, definitely not on his person because there is no where it would fit. I tend to think in lieu of Evangelion when I imagine possible physical weapons for Kiryu besides his fists, feet, and tail. A halbred like thing would probably be the best bet. I think I'll try that =D. I think your gonna love the joke I picked for him, considering where these weapon choices are headed.

-RenDragonClaw
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